Giving Plan Study Committee Vote…
    November 18 2008 by C.J. Bordeaux, Durham

    I am still overwhelmed at the voices of “friends” who have known me for many years, asking me at the end of the convention “When did you switch over to be a Cooperative Baptist Fellowship (CBF) person?” I assure them, I have neither flipped nor flopped to the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship.

    CBF holds nothing for me. I am forever a Bible-believing, conservative inerrantist. I dearly love our Cooperative Program and our Baptist State Convention. Maybe it is old age, but I have discovered that not everybody believes the way I do. I worked on the Giving Plans Study Committee with some dedicated and devout conservative folks and some who do not see eye to eye with me theologically.

    But what I wanted so badly to say to convention messengers, and especially to my brother from Fletcher, is that we need to look at the big picture. This vote was more than just “kicking out” the CBF’ers. Our near-sighted vote hurt the very entities we say we love … the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina and the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC).

    I have served on boards of both conventions and know that a larger number than not of those churches dually support the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina (BSCNC) and SBC as well as CBF. Now most, if not all, of those churches will likely withdraw their support altogether from the SBC and BSCNC, which will hamper and hurt our mission work.

    It will affect money readily available to support Embrace, church planting, Fruitland and those things we say we support. It will cut funds from North Carolina to the SBC.

    Conservative after conservative on the study committee voted to present that report to the convention, believing that what we were doing was right, and godly. I truly believe it would be best to leave that little box to be checked, and if those CBF folks decide it did not work for them, then fine, let them leave on their own. But the way it was presented by my brother from Fletcher is to once again put a black eye on us Baptists as being determined to have things our way or else.

    My friendship with folks on the committee who support the CBF does not make me a bad person. Maybe it makes me a person of whom my Lord would be proud — that I can still love those who are not just like me.

    It is sad to me that we are convinced that we are perfect and right. I believe that if the Lord were to speak to us face to face, we might get a different answer — one we don’t want to hear.

    C.J. Bordeaux

    11/18/2008 4:02:00 AM by C.J. Bordeaux, Durham | with 11 comments

My brother in Christ; Kent,
This is where we are supposed to be.....Paul and Apolos differed in opinion but loved one another because Christ died for both. My apologies for brashness or misdirected comments and I do accept your apology. May God forgive us both and I pray that He will bless you and your family (church family also) this Christmas season.
12/3/2008 11:01:35 PM

Kent Benfield
Eric, it is apparent you & I are very different and have different opinions. I, too, follow the Bible and earnestly try to do his Will. God is probably not too happy with either one of us over these posts... I wish you well in your daily walk, and please accept my apology for my earlier post.
12/3/2008 4:11:53 PM

My apologies to Dr. Rick, I was referring to the vanities of Kent and Ray
11/30/2008 9:49:49 PM

Well Rick you took my words out of context (happens to some in the CBF often with scripture alos). I was addressing the folks in the convention that are worried about CBF churches pulling out of the convention and taking away their monitary contribution. I was not referring to you or saying anything about your God (I usually don't pet people but I hope you noticed that I capitolized God for ya). If you will go back and read again you will see that it isn't until that last part of my comment that I draw any attention to the CBF and that was only to point out that instead of flying off the handle and saying that the CBF was pushed out, hated,..ect. that maybe you should slow down and like the woman at the well take the hint that maybe God is showing you that His Word is inerrant and that when His Word points out the fact that deacons and pastors are to be men, not women then we are not being narrowminded or control freaks....we simply follow God's Word not our opinion or what would make us happy. Now you have proved my point that you will take my words and God's out of context, twist them around to make an erronious point and not listen to Truth. Sorry Ray for spelling 'tolerant' wrong, I can understand that it must be a very important part of your doctrine. As for me and my house we shall serve the Lord and once again He did not tolerate sin.(let me clear that up for you so you don't think that I think I am perfect and sinless; I am talking about the rebellious sin of disobeying God's Word directly and without repentance.) Now I have tried to make myself plain and clear, I have tried to spell all my words correctly but I fear that someone will still take my words out of context which is alright...just quit doing it with God's.
11/25/2008 4:27:01 PM

Kent Benfield
So Eric, "my" god is not only not capatilized but small & limited? -but "yours" is CAPITILIZED AND IS LARGE & UNLIMITED??? You have proven my point that while most moderate (or as many call us-"lib'ruls") will allow conservatives/fundamentalists to have their view, many of your ilk will not allow us to have ours... How narrow minded and selfish!!! I would certainly never even imply that you, while having different views on inerrancy, etc., and I serve a different God.
11/25/2008 10:39:39 AM

It seems the intolerant (spells with one "l" please!) are also "control freaks" and they seem to mis-speak Jesus, when He approached the woman at the well, because He spoke to her in love, not in a hateful amd demeaning mannmer such as the fundamentalists (different from the word misued as only(conservatives!). Fundamentalists are everywhere & come from many levels of belief, but they appear the most authoritarian ("my interpretation is RIGHT all the time!)(NOT "authorative"!) of the lot.
11/22/2008 10:56:12 PM

It seems to me that the bottom line in most of the letters and worries about the vote to remove the CBF from the giving plan is that the CBF churches will pull out of the convention and take their monitary support with them. Well, I am sorry that so many of those that are worried about that serve such a small and limited god because the God that I serve dosen't need any of our money and if we are obedient and serve Him as He should be served, following His INERRANT Word, then the budget will be met, the needs will be fulfilled and disciples will be taught Truth in His Word.
As far as it being a shame that some of us do not want to tollerate disobedience or the belief that God's Word is not inerrant; it is not hate spewed at anyone it is 'hateing the sin, not the sinner'. Jesus did not tollerate the sins of anyone, He didn't tollerate the sins of the woman at the well, He pointed them out to her and she never accused Him of hateing her for it, she rejoiced in repentance.......... maybe the CBF should quit thinking that they are hated, pushed out, rejected, looked at as villans or any other way you can put it and turn back to the INERRANT Word of God, rejoice in repentance and see The Light (not become enlightened)
11/22/2008 6:22:00 PM

Kent Benfield
C.J., or as I remember you back @ Camp CaRAway-"Lil Abner"-your letter was simply wonderful. However, in my opinion, the environment in which many "conservative inerranists" created allowed this to happen on the SBC & State levels. It is too late now for many to realize and do anything about it. It is such a shame. It is similar to the hate spewed from conservative talk show hosts who inspire and give a green light to hate, and unfornately act out that hatred. I hope and pray many more can become enlightened as it seems you have, but I'm afraid it's too late.
11/19/2008 11:05:28 PM

Dr Jeff Roberts
I am grateful for people like C.J. Bordeaux. His expression of Christian kindness is an example for all of us. When I was asked to serve on the Giving Plans Committee I was told that Rev. Bordeaux would be serving and that we would have nothing in common. I found just the opposite to be true. What we found was that we both loved the Lord Jesus Christ, believed the Bible to be God's Word, were committed baptist, shared a common calling to be a pastor within the Church of Jesus Christ and were committed to what was best for the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina. Although I am disappointed in the messengers decision, I am grateful for the opporutnity which was given to me to serve with brothers and sisters in Christ. It was so refreshing to serve with others who put thier own agendas aside and sought God's direction. The action of the convention cannot keep me from calling C.J. Bordeaux and others a friend and from continuing to discover ways to cooperate with each other in fufilling the Great Commission.

Jeff Roberts
11/19/2008 4:46:57 PM

CJ's letter illustrates the truth and beauty of fellowship. When people of differing views spend time together like "neighbors talking over the back fence" as Steve Reeves described the committee's camaraderie, they see there are no villains, only differing views. Is there a format for dialog that could promote such camaraderie again?
11/19/2008 10:45:35 AM

Dr. Rick Bailey
Let's revisit the old saying, "Be careful what you wish for 'cause you just might get it!" This is the second year, after some 30 or so, that I did not attend the convention. Prior to that time I kept hearing those who wanted to delete the giving options. Well, now the plans are gone and Mr. Bordeaux's letter reveals the reality of the action taken by the messengers.

What remains now are churches and leadership that will now be forced to make some hard decisions during 2009. Fortunately our congregation, The Memorial Baptist Church - Greenville, dealt with this issue in 2007, anticipating such action by the convention. We all need to pray for these churches as they now deal with the results of this action.
11/18/2008 4:43:29 PM

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